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Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Me. Because I love all the multimedia features it has built in. Managing my music is fun, I love the album previews in Media Player 11, Backup data and creating DVD movies is also built in with new Windows DVD Maker, which includes integration with MovieMaker 6. Also, PhotoGallery makes it easier to manager and view photos and videos, you organize them by tagging them into different groups, making it easier find. The new search feature is also, just hit the Windows key on your keyboard, type in a few letters of the name of the item you are looking for and it is likely to pop up. Built in security, Windows Defender, Internet Explorer Protected Mode, tabs, drive encryption. Lets not forget about cleaner interface, thats way more attractive in my honest opinion than XP's Blue Luna/Olive/Silver/Energy theme. Just "some" of the things I live about Windows Vista. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Yeah sure, it comes at a good moment for me.My PC will be 4 years old by the end of the year. I normally run my main workhorse PC for about 4 to 5 years before moving them to my labs for a year or 3. My Windows lab with 3 domains is now running on PIII 667 Mhz 512 RAM (W2K, W2K3, ISA, Exchange 2000/2003, SQL Server 2000). My pc will go to the lab to handle VISTA/longhorn tests and be replaced by a new system for my daily workhorse needs ... Any extra older machines I need for the lab I get (almost) for free from liquidations. In total I have about 4 to 5 machines, lots of then in dual boot and a laptop.
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Just did!!!! wrote in message

Yeah sure, it comes at a good moment for me.My PC will be 4 years old by the end of the year. I normally run my main workhorse PC for about 4 to 5 years before moving them to my labs for a year or 3. My Windows lab with 3 domains is now running on PIII 667 Mhz 512 RAM (W2K, W2K3, ISA, Exchange 2000/2003, SQL Server 2000). My pc will go to the lab to handle VISTA/longhorn tests and be replaced by a new system for my daily workhorse needs ... Any extra older machines I need for the lab I get (almost) for free from liquidations. In total I have about 4 to 5 machines, lots of then in dual boot and a laptop.
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

Me. Because I love all the multimedia features it has built in. Managing my music is fun, I love the album previews in Media Player 11, Backup data and creating DVD movies is also built in with new Windows DVD Maker, which includes integration with MovieMaker 6. Also, PhotoGallery makes it easier to manager and view photos and videos, you organize them by tagging them into different groups, making it easier find. The new search feature is also, just hit the Windows key on your keyboard, type in a few letters of the name of the item you are looking for and it is likely to pop up. Built in security, Windows Defender, Internet Explorer Protected Mode, tabs, drive encryption. Lets not forget about cleaner interface, thats way more attractive in my honest opinion than XP's Blue Luna/Olive/Silver/Energy theme. Just "some" of the things I live about Windows Vista. :)

If I look at the features you list off
* Music management is harder in WMP11 than in 10 (for many reasons which I am happy to detail) * Backup is already in XP, but the built-in offerings are still pretty awful * I have quite nice, inexpensive software for my DVD burning needs * PhotoGallery offers less features than Google's free Picasa program * built in Search still has a long way to go before it works even approximately usefully whereas Google desktop search is non-invasive and well-organised * Defender is on XP * IE protected mode gets in the way more than anything * I have tabs in Firefox, and they're rearrangeable plus more * encryption is in XP * cleaner interface is debatable - much more confusing UI, and users and OEMs will find ways to clutter desktop and Start Meny again
I'd like Vista to be wonderful (and make my Microsoft shares worth soemthing again) but for now I don't see anything worth the cost of upgrading software or hardware.

Already have ;o)
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Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

"Music management is harder in WMP11 than in 10 (for many reasons which I am happy to detail)" All I know is, its easier to find a particular song I want to play, nothing beats that and it looks beautiful - to be honest, I don't see whats difficult about it. I know the advanced features such as built in burning and syncing aren't things to rejoice over in WMP, thats why I use thirdparty tools. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mike Williams" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: Me. Because I love all the multimedia features it has built in. Managing my music is fun, I love the album previews in Media Player 11, Backup data and creating DVD movies is also built in with new Windows DVD Maker, which includes integration with MovieMaker 6. Also, PhotoGallery makes it easier to manager and view photos and videos, you organize them by tagging them into different groups, making it easier find. The new search feature is also, just hit the Windows key on your keyboard, type in a few letters of the name of the item you are looking for and it is likely to pop up. Built in security, Windows Defender, Internet Explorer Protected Mode, tabs, drive encryption. Lets not forget about cleaner interface, thats way more attractive in my honest opinion than XP's Blue Luna/Olive/Silver/Energy theme. Just "some" of the things I live about Windows Vista. :)
If I look at the features you list off
* Music management is harder in WMP11 than in 10 (for many reasons which I am happy to detail) * Backup is already in XP, but the built-in offerings are still pretty awful * I have quite nice, inexpensive software for my DVD burning needs * PhotoGallery offers less features than Google's free Picasa program * built in Search still has a long way to go before it works even approximately usefully whereas Google desktop search is non-invasive and well-organised * Defender is on XP * IE protected mode gets in the way more than anything * I have tabs in Firefox, and they're rearrangeable plus more * encryption is in XP * cleaner interface is debatable - much more confusing UI, and users and OEMs will find ways to clutter desktop and Start Meny again
I'd like Vista to be wonderful (and make my Microsoft shares worth soemthing again) but for now I don't see anything worth the cost of upgrading software or hardware.

I just recently built my first to upgrade my old computer so where I might have bought before I think I am comfortable with building now :-)
-- Richard Hay http://WindowsObserver.com
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

But would you build one just for Vista? That's the real question.
"Richard Hay" wrote in message

I just recently built my first to upgrade my old computer so where I might have bought before I think I am comfortable with building now :-)
-- Richard Hay http://WindowsObserver.com
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Puppy Breath wrote:

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?
I will buy a 64-bit PC sooner or later. I will also try running Vista

inside VMWare... :)

Yes I will. I deploy next year for six months and when I return from deployment (the last one for my career in the Navy) I would like to build a brand new one for Vista itself because I do plan on running it throughout the house.
-- Richard Hay Connect Handle: AnotherWin95 Windows Vista Build 5365 (x86) http://WindowsObserver.com
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

But would you build one just for Vista? That's the real question.
"Richard Hay" wrote in message I just recently built my first to upgrade my old computer so where I might have bought before I think I am comfortable with building now :-)
-- Richard Hay http://WindowsObserver.com
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

The simpler solution is to install in on a second drive on an existing PC with sufficient RAM/disk/etc. That way you can dual boot your choice, use/evaluate as necessary, but still go back if it does not work for you.
Ed
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

I intend to build a new, 64-bit dual-core system. It's not because of Vista, it's just the wave of the (near) future. And I prefer building to buying, because I get more bang for the buck this way - as well as salvage some components (box, PSU, drives...) -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

"Music management is harder in WMP11 than in 10 (for many reasons which I am happy to detail)" All I know is, its easier to find a particular song I want to play, nothing beats that and it looks beautiful - to be honest, I don't see whats difficult about it. I know the advanced features such as built in burning and syncing aren't things to rejoice over in WMP, thats why I use thirdparty tools. :)

Having 30,000+ tracks, I can tell you that there are many problems remaining. It's OK for superficial dipping in, but there's a lot lost from v10 in the way of organising music.
Most of the serious issues I've been tracking for the last 3 years are still not addressed: http://msmvps.com/blogs/thinice/articles/16084.aspx

I am using Vista on a 3 year old ABit NF7-S mobo with 2.0 GHz AMD mobile cpu, 1.5 Gig Winbond BH-5 RAM and Radeon 9700 AIW video card, and it runs smooth, great and stable. Why would I need a new PC?
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

Only two naysayers? I'm surprised.
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?

I am reading your archive of faults on WMP will report back, anyway, with 30,000+ tracks, you need a jukebox, not a media player. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mike Williams" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: "Music management is harder in WMP11 than in 10 (for many reasons which I am happy to detail)" All I know is, its easier to find a particular song I want to play, nothing beats that and it looks beautiful - to be honest, I don't see whats difficult about it. I know the advanced features such as built in burning and syncing aren't things to rejoice over in WMP, thats why I use thirdparty tools. :)
Having 30,000+ tracks, I can tell you that there are many problems remaining. It's OK for superficial dipping in, but there's a lot lost from v10 in the way of organising music.
Most of the serious issues I've been tracking for the last 3 years are still not addressed: http://msmvps.com/blogs/thinice/articles/16084.aspx

Just make sure you do the necessary research to ensure your device drivers are compatible if you plan on running XP Professional x64 or Vista x64. reduces the head aches. http://activewin.com/articles/2006/8.shtml -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message

I intend to build a new, 64-bit dual-core system. It's not because of Vista, it's just the wave of the (near) future. And I prefer building to buying, because I get more bang for the buck this way - as well as salvage some components (box, PSU, drives...) -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

I am reading your archive of faults on WMP will report back, anyway, with 30,000+ tracks, you need a jukebox, not a media player.

The difference being?

"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Just curious. How many people here would buy or build a new PC just to run Vista (and perhaps some Vista-related apps or dev tools)?
Sure! Two reasons:

1. I enjoy building PC's. and Vista is as good an excuse as any. 2. I need current technology to support my job requirements.
-- Peter [MVP Visual Developer] Jack of all trades, master of none.

I will, thanks :) But I've no doubt the 64-bit drivers for Vista will be issued in time for RTM, for most current devices. They may be slower to come for XP 64-bits, in fact. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
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Excellent point (#1).
"pvdg42" wrote in message

Sure! Two reasons: 1. I enjoy building PC's. and Vista is as good an excuse as any. 2. I need current technology to support my job requirements.
-- Peter [MVP Visual Developer] Jack of all trades, master of none.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I am reading your archive of faults on WMP will report back, anyway, with 30,000+ tracks, you need a jukebox, not a media player.

I've got nearly three times that in iTunes and it handles them fine.